is going to come first and, you know, just doing that was a leadership style that johnson had, but john kennedy did not have. every president brings a certain aura to the leadership style, and in any given moment, you say, actually it would be nice if we could pull a little bit of that dna from that president and engrain it into the dnas of our current leaders in both the senate and white house. >> howard baker told me a great story about lbj and dirksen. he said when he was in an intern in dirksen's office, he heard him yelling into the phone, no, god damnit, mr. president, you're not getting those judges. and he slammed the phone down. howard baker said i'm leaving now, senator. dirksen said stick around, you're going to see something. and half an hour later, the door of dirksen's office flew open and in came two beagle hounds followed by the president of the united states with a bottle of bourbon and he slammed the bottle down on dirksen's desk and said, listen, you son-of-a-bitch, we're going to drink this bourbon, get those judgeships settled tonight. that's how he did business. >>